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A real artist creates art for art's sake and/or because they enjoy the process, or they just find it therapeutic - not just to make a quick buck. So by extension, real artists ought to be prepared to work for free, (at least some of the time.) And, by further extension, they shouldn't be over concerned when their work gets pirated.

More feathers to their caps!
And if they can't make enough money selling their art, they can always go out and get a real job!

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I think you make a fair point. I don't mind people using my general photography as long as they attribute it correctly and they are not trying to profit from it. My general work is here at Flickr

However for my gallery prints, I don't put these online at full size as they are strictly limited editions and I can't afford to devalue them for those who collect my work.

Happy new year :)))

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Happy New Year to you too! (Sorry it's a bit late... I only just noticed your reply here. 'Been really busy with work lately...)

Money makes the world go round, as they say... Even with this site, I'd love to keep it completely free for ever more. But there are costs involved and I'm going to have to get a bit more comercial with it if artfreaks.com is ever to become any more than just another hobby of mine. (I wish I could also say the same thing with my art... But that's why, as someone once very kindly advised me on another website of mine: "Don't give-up your day job" ...It's pretty crap!) :rofl:

One of the things that I am just trying-out, in order to see if I can get some income from this website, is a new feature in the Downloads module of these Forums. Try it-out! As a Full Member, you should now be able to upload high resolution image files of your general photography - and put your own price on what people would have to pay each time they download a file - (which they could then use for printing their own images for framing at home or in the office or whatever...) This is still very much in its infancy and, (at the time of writing,) I have initially pitched my commission on individual paid downloads at 10%

If you decide to give the Downloads module a try, please do share your experiences/impressions with me...

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Lets contribute! I like this website and will be a shame to lose it.

I will try to upload some files.

caricature

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I just changed a few settings in the Downloads module:

1) Full Members should now be able to upload files directly, without having to wait for Admin approval

2) It should now actually be possible for Full Members to set a price on their paid downloads. (Needless to say, an Admin can download for free. This is necessary in order to check the file for content/viruses or whatever...) So you might see the odd download showing-up in the stats and start wondering why you didn't get paid for it. If you have files already uploaded, it should also now be possible for you to edit them and set a per download price. Like I said in an earlier post... Let me know how you get on with this...

3) I have reduced the screenshot image maximum file size from 1250Kb down to 350Kb. You will want to keep your screenshots on the small size to prevent them form being used instead of the Full High Resolution Download - which is what you get paid on!

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I can see that you have put a lot of thought and work into your site,Vic.

It is good that you have the knowledge to do the things here that you accomplish.

Dan

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Thanks Papadan. It's good to know that my time, efforts, thoughts and money have not been entirely wasted! :)

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You make a good point. I've come back to creating art after about a decade and a half or more burn out. By the mid 90's it became about the money only. It was no longer fun. :angry:  Now I'm back, just checking out other artists work and creating again. Not looking to make money. I agree with RussellChapmen. I don't want somebody else stealing my pieces and making money off of them. (That has happened to me, In a very big way).  If I see them being used for nonprofit purposes "fantastic!" I love it. As smb said; more feathers in the cap but I would like to have my work attributed correctly also. That is only fair. Money will destroy ones love for art.  When a young person asks me for a tip on how they can break into the business, I always say, (my one and only tip): DON'T CALL IT A BUSINESS.

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Fair comment. And I certainly agree that art is more fun when there is no money involved...

 

Some people do of course make a successful living out of art - and I make no secret of the fact that I am rather envious of their privileged position... Me? I'm just doomed to sail the Seven Seas until my dying breath... (Well maybe not... If ever ArtFreaks.com and/or any of my other sites should finally start to become viable businesses. Woops!! Sorry... Let's call them commercial enterprises!)

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By the way... On a different note:

 

I notice that there are now a handful of members who are following this 'thread' (topic.) For some time now, I have noticed that I don't seem to be getting email notifications anymore, whenever a reply is posted to a topic that I am following... 'Just wondering; has anyone else who is following this topic received an email notification, telling them that a new reply has been posted?

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I can appreciate that. I had that privileged position once. The highs were high but the low were deep. Now days I've gotten me a day job.  :good: and we hit the open road when we can, seeing the world from my Harley (if the chain don't break). ;)

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I'm starting to change my mind on this free art thing.
 
I will always paint for free when my daughter asks me to make her a painting of Demi Lovato - (or whoever happens to be her hero of the time!)
 
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And needless to say, if I can do a free painting for a good friend - and if that saves me the headache of trying to think of anything else to buy for them, then I will continue to do the odd free painting.
 
But my days of painting on demand just because I enjoy doing it, are fast coming to an end.
 
I read an interesting article on ft.com
With jobs, make sure it pays to play
This bit was particularly instrumental in causing me to adjust my opinion on the subject of painting for free:
 

High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dec73e56-efb9-11e2-8229-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2ZkTwatdn
 
If we all did a Clark and refused most unpaid work, I predict it would lead to a rise in happiness-adjusted GNP. There would be far fewer pointless events, which would mean everyone could go to the pub or see their children rather than sit through an evening event on corporate governance. Moreover, the quality of output would rise. Money isn’t perfect, but it is the best way we have of rationing effort. If you are paying someone to do something and it’s no good, then you can tell them to do it better.

 

 

My emphasis on the bit where it say's: "If you are paying someone to do something and it’s no good, then you can tell them to do it better." Words of praise are all very nice but how will I ever know if my art is really any good, until someone at least, is prepared to part with some hard-earned cash for it?!! :acute:

 

And my apologies to the Financial Times!

(Anyway, I didn't cut and paste the entire article... 'just quoted the relevant bit.)  :)

And I quite agree with them, in that high quality global journalism requires investment.

So does my art!

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Ahh... Drawing on demand is quite a different thing. If someone want's a drawing and with me it's usually something graphic. We can talk terms. I convert hard drawings to digital and add water marks and send the files to them electronic. Digital drawings I save the progress of the piece but what I send to them still has a watermark. Watermark is not lifted until I see the green. Still if to court I must go, Than I still have the hard copy or an extensive file to show the Judge. 

Doing art for other people can drain creativity from us. Just because we enjoy it doesn't mean they can have it for free. There are tradesmen out there who absolutely love their jobs. But we would have the gull to ask one of them (such as a plumber or an electrician) to come to or house and do work for free just because they love their jobs. 

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